Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander listeners are advised that this episode contains the names of people who have passed away.

Daniel James analyses the current state of The Voice Referendum with Ian Hamm. Ian is a Yorta Yorta man from the Stolen Generation, he has extensive government and community sector experience and is a board member of the Healing Foundation. They discuss the implications of Jacinta Price’s claims that colonisation has had a ‘positive impact’ on First Nations Australians, the work of The Healing Foundation and go into the story of Ian’s own life.