Sam, Gemma, and Hamish welcome two guests onto the show this episode. The crew first chat with chief executive officer at Transgender Victoria Dr Son Vivienne about their new book Queering Safe Spaces: Being Brave Beyond Binaries. They then talk with Naarm based artist Scotty So to discuss his new exhibition The Queen of Begonias and Hai Kot Tou both currently at the Art Gallery of Ballarat.