Author Steph Lentz joins hosts Gemma and Hamish to talk about her memoir In/Out, her experience of 'falling into love and out of the church' after being publicly sacked as a teacher at a Sydney Christian school for coming out as gay. Later, Mitch Nevalis, photographer and filmmaker, and now 'amateur footy player' talks about their new film Equal the Contest (2023). The film follows the Mount Alexander Falcons - a new community AFL club created by and for women and gender diverse people in regional Victoria - of which Nevalis, a non-binary person, is also a player for.