Former Breakfaster Sarah Smith steps in for the Spin Cycle team while they're on summer hiatus for a series of long form conversations. This week she chats with Breakfasters resident film critic, journalist, writer and music manager Simone Ubaldi.

The pair dig into Simone’s extraordinary career, and how being a music journalist, working in film distribution, then ghostwriting Chopper Read’s final book all led to her current job managing Amyl and The Sniffers. Simone shares what she learned from her time with Chopper, explains the through line between him and Amyl’s “magic unicorn” Amy Taylor, and talks about that time she hugged Paul McCartney.