Dylan Bird is joined by Professor John Evans, Pro-Vice Chancellor of Indigenous engagement at Swinburne University for a chat about his recent opinion piece in The Age.

John charts how the number of Indigenous players playing football in the AFL has shrunk in the past 10 years and discusses potential causes - from ‘hot housing’ talent to the lack of Indigenous and First Nations people working in non-player positions in the AFL and clubs environments.

Photo credit: Swinburne University.