Andrew Bailey and Ben Newman of iconic New York shoegaze band DIIV phone in mid tour to chat about their latest record Frog In Boiling Water.

Caitlin, Andrew and Ben go deep into the many dystopian inspirations for the album such as Daniel Quinn's The Story of B, capitalistic woes and deep web conspiracy theories.

Listen back to hear about the democratic creative process of DIIV and how the band arrived at an album they're incredibly proud of.

Frog In Boiling Water is out now via Fantasy Records.