The pendulum of ideology swings back and forth, but the neoliberal obsession with unfettered growth has persisted for decades, contributing to what environmentalist Bill McKibben calls the ‘architecture of deceit and denial’ about climate change. Bill joins host Amy Mullins to discuss his new book Falter: Has the Human Game Begun to Play Itself Out?, which looks at the ‘human game’ of the climate emergency and why collective action is the only way that we can get the pendulum back.