Our guest this episode believes there is a third way which challenges the dichotomous view that when it comes to forestry, one ought to be either a conservationist or profiteer. Rowan Reid is a scientist and himself a farmer and forester. He's also been a Senior Lecturer at Melbourne Uni for 20 years, and is the managing director of the not-for profit Australian Agroforestry Foundation. He won the 2001 Australian Eureka Prize for Excellence in Environmental Education for his farmer course: The Australian Master TreeGrower). His farm Bambra Agroforestry Farm in the Otway Ranges is set up as an outdoor classroom and living laboratory for tree growing, and it has had over 10,000 visitors come on tours. Since 1985 he's written or co-authored nine books on related topics, the latest of which and surely his magnum opus, is truly wonderful Heartwood: The Art and Science of Growing Trees for Conservation and Profit.